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Upload Limits Removed

Yes, this came down from above. No more upload limits. For those who do not want to see more than 5 uploads (or 3, or 10) from an artist per day, there is now a convenient option in user settings, "Artist Recents/day" which allows you to specify how many images you want to see from individual artists per day. This is only for Recents, and does not apply to things like Favorite Artist Uploads.

The default is to show all, so don't worry about it unless you want to limit how many uploads you want to see from artists per day.

Well, I'm going to be one to say that I don't particularly like this change at all, regardless of the 'convenient option' in user settings.

I thought that the reasoning behind the original upload limit (and all upload limits on other online art galleries) was to keep the Recents page from getting flooded / to keep artists from doing 'image dumps', where they upload 50+ pictures all at once, thus pushing other art out of view very quickly. It is an unfortunate thing for an artist to work hard on a piece, finally getting around to uploading it to this site, only to have the possibility of getting their work shoved out of view by another artist who prefers to upload a large amount of their imagery all at once. Really, it works both ways, too - If the artist is forced to upload some of their work over a period of days / weeks / months instead of all at once, they benefit by having more of a chance for their art to be exposed.

It might be a little less of an issue if the default was set to the limited uploads, instead having to go in and select the 'show all' yourself. But, really, I at least would prefer 'no upload limits' to. . .not exist. Bring back the upload limits, please!

I'd prefer to have upload limits back as well. It doesn't kill anyone to wait to upload 5 more images the next day, and generally my impressions of the gallery without them is A)new artist uploading everything under the sun they can think of, or B)uploading everything they've pushed out in a day, which is usually sketches of varying quality. 1-2 sketches are good, 10+ say on a page, not so good.

Also, if I decide to reduce how much I'm seeing from a particular person today, there's the possibility that I'm going to miss something that I'd really like, or not get to something I'd like from someone else because of the flood potential from one person. I don't see this as an improvement over the limit system.

Thank you very much for this. As someone who tends to work in smaller sizes, and holds off on uploading until I have a handful to share, not having to worry about having 6 images every once in a while makes me glad.
I come from the perspective where if I come home and new art has pushed all the other new art off the main page, I'm in a great mood, and get to look at more stuff. If this gallery gets larger, shouldn't that be happening, anyway? It'd be a good problem to have, in my opinion.

I like having no limits! I will browse and browse until I see the stuff I've seen before, even if it's several pages worth of stuff. As it is, I haven't seen many folks uploading scads of work at a time, unless it's a new artist!

I personally don't upload too many images at once just cause I get bored of describing images. :P

That was a complaint I had with Yerf that there weren't enough uploads a day. I love to see tons of new art! I can't help but feel I'm partially to blame for uploading sketches (I mostly sketch these days due to lack of time), but I wonder if it would be a way to make everyone happy and have an options to "view sketches in recent uploads" or "Do not allow sketches in my view of the recent uploads". I have my works divided up into finished and sketches, I'm sure a lot of other folks do too. I remember you saying something about having a separate sketch section, why not offer the option to browse /all/ recents or only finished recents not including sketches? :)

Tod said: I come from the perspective where if I come home and new art has pushed all the other new art off the main page, I'm in a great mood, and get to look at more stuff.

Realistically, most viewers don't go far beyond the main Recents page, if they go any further at all, if I am not mistaken.

Thornwolf said: . . .I wonder if it would be a way to make everyone happy and have an options to "view sketches in recent uploads" or "Do not allow sketches in my view of the recent uploads". I have my works divided up into finished and sketches, I'm sure a lot of other folks do too. I remember you saying something about having a separate sketch section, why not offer the option to browse /all/ recents or only finished recents not including sketches? :)

Yes, but how would they define a 'sketch'? I know that it is my personal preference to combine very sketchy elements into my work, though I still consider it finished. Are you referring to light pencil sketches, or. . .?

It could be the artist's option to check "sketch", kind of like FA and DA have a "scraps" section. The difference here is that it's the viewer's option as to whether or not the sketch shows up on the recents page.

UndyingSong said:

Tod said: I come from the perspective where if I come home and new art has pushed all the other new art off the main page, I'm in a great mood, and get to look at more stuff.

Realistically, most viewers don't go far beyond the main Recents page, if they go any further at all, if I am not mistaken.

I'm not sure where you are getting your stats from, but Im going to assume myself that Seurat has figures and numbers as to how many bounce-back from recents pages and how deep a typical user goes into exploring the site.

As for me, in a place like this I will browse back all of the images on the recent uploads page until I hit the first image in pictures I've already seen. So, 4 pictures or 10 pages, I tend to look through them all. I guess it also depends on how you have your viewing set up, I bounce between all thumbnails and using the 'List' feature when I want to read all the descriptions also. Then again, when I'm really ocd I'll check and see the newest prints and originals too. But that is also how I treat my livejournal - reading back until I hit the last entry I've already perused.

Erm, so yeah! Uh...I like the no upload cap on the recents (Plus the option to cap if I wanted). But mostly because I'm voracious for art and be waving the banner over here screaming MOAR!.

UndyingSong said:

Realistically, most viewers don't go far beyond the main Recents page, if they go any further at all, if I am not mistaken.

I agree with the other reply to this. I'd want to see stats before making that assumption. This is the same problem that's going to come up if the gallery gets bigger, and does it really matter if the flood of new artwork is by one artist or twenty? Competition for exposure is going to exist no matter how one spins it, but this gives people the option to customize their individual viewing experience, and I think that's a fair compromise all around.

People, people! There was a reason I had this done, and I shall explain that reason right here.

To be blunt, the five-upload-a-day limit was strangling the site. Especially this early in its development. People were thinking that they only had to pick and choose their "better" stuff to upload, when what many people wanted to see was fun stuff, like sketches! Character studies! The simple things that we do for fun and that make us happy not only to do but to look at. This is not a museum. It is vibrant, dynamic! And I for one was unhappy at not seeing any sketches and loose work on the recents.

So I asked people, a good number, "Why do you not post these things on ArtSpots? They are good!" And they come back, "I get the feeling nobody wants to see them. They can not compare to all the work already up there. I reserve ArtSpots (and even JaxPad) for my best work." Fooey! What I have seen in the past few days is exactly the same thing I see on professional art message boards when someone lets loose to have fun. This is part of the reason we are here! Plus, I do not see recents flooding being a problem. If someone does upload 50 images, I will have a chat with them and we will backdate a good number.

But, I doubt that will happen, we are all mature here. I will re-investigate an upload limit when we start getting over 100 new images a day on ArtSpots and it truly becomes a problem that going a couple pages forward will not fix. Currently, as of today, we average 23.5 images a day between both JaxPad and ArtSpot combined. For the site to grow, and people to get more confidence to post, we needed to remove the limit.

However, we are anticipating the day such traffic warrants such measures by implementing something similar to scraps or sketches. I do not like either word, as they imply, well, junk, or just sketches, even when it is not a sketch.

So, in the future, you will be able to mark a gallery as one for "Roughs", and when viewing recents, you can view Finished, Roughs, or Both. I think that is a good solution, as suggested by a couple others. I do not want anyone afraid to upload.

Tod said:

. . .Competition for exposure is going to exist no matter how one spins it. . .

Just a note, that yes, absolutely! So why not make it easier / fairer for all of the artists to get exposure? : )

It seems our ever-friendly moderator has already taken care of everything, however. Thank you for the confirming a lot of things I was wondering!

Although, yeah, the idea of a 'scraps' or 'sketches' section isn't my favorite option, either. Why not just pop the upload limit back into place, when the time comes?

UndyingSong said:

Tod said:. . .Competition for exposure is going to exist no matter how one spins it. . .

Just a note, that yes, absolutely! So why not make it easier / fairer for all of the artists to get exposure? : )

Does not get any more fair than this! :)

http://www.artspots.com/image/random

That is quite true!

As far as who decides what is scraps and what is finished, that is up to the artist. I think everyone who uploads here has a pretty good idea of what art of theirs is considered a "sketch" and what is considered more finished, and the users can check which they want to see on their uploads page. I'd say thats a good way to do it. That way the rabid art viewers like me and NeoGeen can see everything thats been uploaded in the past few days, and the folks who just wanna see the best of the best of artspots, that is, just the finished stuff, they have that option :)

<3 Seurat. Thank you.

I love uploading sketches, I'll continue to do so. I get more comments on them than my final pieces anyway :D

I'm pleased with these decisions. I think most artists are responsible enough to moderate themselves and not upload 50+ images at once, and if one does, they should probably be reminded to cut back. But I don't mind seeing a large handful of uploads from a single artist in a day.

I actually don't usually browse recents at all anyway. I periodically browse the artist listing to see if there are any new artists I'd like to add to my watch and then I use the favorites tab to view new art...and I typically view every single new piece by any artist I watch, regardless of how many there are.